1. Palapala

    This realty is very sad. I hope a better life for the homeless.

  2. Uno

    Acho que devias contar a historia dela, pode ser em portugues, eu traduzo para ingles.

  3. ªßè®

    People I am not intending to sound stereotypical here, but should the impoverished communities be allowed to bear the little ones? (It's such a sad reality, that I think it's only fair my view for their populations be controlled until such time they are able to survive like average homes).

  4. Uno

    That's an interesting opinion (slightly maoist?).

    First: who has the right to establish the right of a citizen to bear children or not?

    Second: in a lot of cultures (including the mozambican) a family's wealth is based on the amount of children, increasing the probability that at least one of the children will take care of their parents and/or counting with the high infant mortality rate that is a sad reality in most poor countries. If one of these children does well and becomes, for example, a doctor or lawyer, the responsibility to take care of the family automatically fall on this person.

    Third: most "impoverished" people always have the hope that their situation is a temporary one.

    Fourth: I could argue that there's a lot of rich people out there that although having all the conditions to educate their offspring in the best way possible, make a pretty bad job at it, wouldn't you say? Examples are all over, don't need to go very far...

    On this case (of palapala's photo), this lady had family that lived not far away from her (in Inhambane) but no one took care of her and she eventually died some days later. She had been living on a swamp area with nothing to cover her but a piece of cardboard exposed to the rain (it rained non stop for weeks that summer).
    All of this happened right in front of a catholic mission on one of the city's busiest roads...

  5. Sam Buk

    But why did her family neglect her and let her die in the first place? does this story not start there?

  6. ªßè®

    Phew there are so many wrong things in our society, I am no GOD, but the thought of taking a picture and marvelou(ing) the agony of the suffering subject is also disturbing. This just reminds me of the picture by Kevin Carter: http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/odds_and_oddities/ultimate_in_unfair.htm

  7. Uno

    I'm maybe talking too much about someone's photo, although I was there, palapala is the best person to tell you the story. All of us were quite distort with what happened, palapala used to take her food everyday and talk with her and he was still trying to find out who was her family and why wasn't anyone helping her when one of the mornings he came back with the sad news that she had died...
    I can reaussure you that none of us ever marveled at this event or image, it's actually the opposite, it should be an eye opener to all the other people right at our doorstep in similar situations, for one reason or another.
    Photojournalism is full of moral dilemmas, it's a very limited and personal way of representing reality, open to many different interpretations and full of difficult choices. Kevin Carter, James Nachtwey and Robert Capa are just a few names of well known and respected photojournalists who have been surrounded by controversy and have dealt with some of these issues of morality.

  8. lebogang nkoane

    @abe -- isn't that contradictory to what you have responded to in the past? Why is it you don't cry foul when the photography tends towards sexuality?

    ... I am of the school of thought a photograph is a photograph is a photograph --- linking back to that silly phrase - beauty is in the eye of beholder - which implies the opposite is true. But, most importantly, any descriptor for a photograph is derived by the person viewing it.

    If we start to prescribe what can be shared and what cannot, then we might well as change to: this is pornography.

  9. ntsasa

    Abe - are you suggesting that children should be the priviledge of the rich?
    If you look around you'll see that the rich turn out to be the ones who don't want children. look at countries like Germany - for all their efforts of population control in the 70s, they are now having to import a workforce because their people are getting old.
    this is just one side of a very complex story.

  10. Palapala

    Para ja o meu obrigado a todos que dispensaram o seu tempo em comentar esta minha fotografia.
    Nao foi minha intensao alterar o estado niguem, nem tao pouco tirar partido da desgraca alheia.
    Ao UP so posso agradecer toda a informacao que prestou, e na qual nao vejo necessidade de algo acresentar.
    E uma fotojornalistica.Foi minha intensao mostrar, que estas nossas sociadades nao sao so
    cores vibrantes,bonitas paisagens e lindos seres humanos.
    Penso que teremos de ter coragem em olharmos para tudo que de menos bom existe na Humanidade, para que num futuro, pelo menos alguns valores possam comecar a ser mudados.
    Nao so humanos, mas do ambiente.
    Anterior a esta fotografia no mesmo espirito publiquei neste site uma sobre o ambiente, o que acredito que tecnicamente nem posso ser uma boa fotografia, mas na verdade ela nao teve o impacto desta mesma. Penso sera tempo para refletirmos.
    Ao Up Os meus agradecimentos e ao mesmo tempo o favor para traduzires este meu comentario.
    Bem haja a todos nos.

  11. rudzani

    Palapala: You did not create the world (κοσμος). You are merely interpreting it. I applaud your courage. It is easier to turn your face against suffering. You have not.

    Abe: Peter Kreeft writes: "Having fits is much more rational than having kids. Have kids anyway.Kids will break your heart That's part of the plan...They will also break the bank, break our budget. That's also part of the plan, too. Almost every one should have kids. (Because) Only when you live for everyone do you really live."

  12. Palapala

    Many tanks for your good vibration.

  13. Khumbelo


  14. Uno

    Palapala’s comment translated at his request:

    “Firstly I would like to thank all of you for the time you’ve dedicated on commenting my photo.
    It wasn’t my intention to offend anyone or take advantage of anyone else’s misfortune.
    I would like to thank UP for all the information he gave, to which I see nothing else I could contribute.
    This is a journalistic photo. It was my intention to show that these (our) societies are not only vibrant colours, pretty landscapes and beautiful human beings.
    I think we need to have the courage to look at everything in humanity, even the not so good, so that, in a near future, we can start changing some of its values. Not only on a human level, but also on an environmental one.
    Before this photo I uploaded another one about the environment *, in the same spirit, although not so powerful or technically well achieved, which had less of an impact. It is time for us to reflect on all these issues.
    To UP, thank you for translating this comment.”

    *age of stupid – reference to the movie with the same name (translator’s note)

  15. Palapala

    Up. o meu sincero agradecimentos.
    Um abraco.

  16. Ovidius Nkoane

    Wow,,, gripping stuff ya'll. @Abe: I hope you've been enlightened some.

    Suffering is suffering. I don't think this woman would be begging if she had another alternative, ie. that estranged family in question. Our (western) society keeps denying that these things are not happening in the world. Photojournalists have adopted a "put a face to the pain" mentality in order to inspire empathy and simultaneously combat apathy.

    I'm convinced that a good bulk of the world does not care about the suffering. They care about their own sufferings, dire or meager. This woman suffered in full view of a church that I'm gonna assume teaches compassion, understanding so on and so on...

    IMHO, anybody who unashamedly accepts a Pulitzer Prize on stage (for this kind of photography) is morally challenged. Especially if they don't use their new-found-fame to relief some of that "Snap'd" or "Captured" pain.

  17. NguJaz

    I think it takes a lot for the woman represented to subject herself to being captured like this. This may also mean that she trusted Papalapala implicitly to take pictures of her like this (with her loss of diginity).
    I concur with kotn i'm of the hope that Abe has become enlightened.

    I also believe that it's Papalapala's duty to represent the plight of the people of Mozambique. Sometimes I'm torn when an outsider represents a people for which they have little to no understanding -- and I'm very often that outsider with my camera to their face. I struggle with that.

  18. noidSyStems

    A photographer has to always detach themselves away from the subject ... Its like being a surgeon today you may save a life tomorrow you may loose one ... pennies worth! But iyo on the birth controll ish ... Man you mean no hankie pankie ... Its a recreational activity you cannot deprive humans of that ... They will go craze ...

  19. Uno

    I don't know if I agree with the "photographer has to always detach themselves away from the subject", that is one of the moral issues with photojournalism... don't you need to relate to your subject's reality so that you can choose the most accurate between the many different interpretations of that same reality? Don't you need to establish some kind of relationship with your subject in order to make them comfortable to share their emotions with you. It might be demanding on the photographer's own emotional balance but I don't believe that "Its like being a surgeon today you may save a life tomorrow you may loose one"... because of the artistic/expressive dimension of the photographic medium and the responsibilities inherent to the two different professions, your relationship with the subject is also different.

    Although I agree with most of what you said there's one point I would like to comment on:
    "Photojournalists have adopted a "put a face to the pain" mentality in order to inspire empathy and simultaneously combat apathy."
    One of the problems in most of our societies is the way we consume images, we see so much pain on magazines, newspapers and screens that after a while we become numb to these images of war, poverty, violence and disgrace (creating the the opposite effect of waht is most photographer's intentions), especially the societies with more access to information (which are the ones that most times have the power to help and change some of these situations).

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